cloudera is making it robust be defeated by wester and useful for a wider range western-- military of enterprises. superiority. >> rose: the politics of the the question is do you want middle east, and to join the west or do you extraordinary new ways of think that you can borrow looking at science and techniques from the west but not the spirit on the west. medicine when we continue. so can they do what chinese >> funding for charlie rose was provided by the and japanese did which is to following say they acquire from the west what they wanted, keep their own authenticity and be very successful in the world. >> keep that culture but adopt those things that would make them aggressive in terms of global economics. >> or straddle the line and remain unhappy. this is the basic debate. >> there is a sectarian divide opening up between-- you see it manifest, coming out of syria but it was already there in iraq and lebanon before, it is exacerbating all of that. but it has the potential to spread to the gulf where you have shi'a majority, population in ba rein with the sunni king. you have shi'a minority in saudi arabia. but they happen to live where the oil reserves are. i mean you have potential

there of a real discuss am captioning sponsored by that's developing am but rose communications alongside that, you have another interesting development within the sunni from our studios in new york world. between the muslim city, this is charlie rose. brotherhood in egypt and muslim brotherhood in turkey. the amir of kwattar and his the middle east where president muslim brotherhood leanings obama is in the midst of a three day visit to israel it as kind of triumvirate marks his first visit to the country as president, versus the sunni sheikhs of speaking in jerusalem today the gulf and of course the the president urged israelies to make sacrifices king of jordan and the king in the interests of sustainable peace with the of morocco. palestinians. and that chiefage is beginning more and more >> israelis must recognize important as well. >> rose: thank you martin, that continued settlement good to see you. >> thank you, charlie. activity is >> rose: itamar, thank you. counterproductive to the cause of peace. >> thank you, charlie. and that an independent palestine must be viable, with real borders that have to be drawn. jeff hammerback certificate here, chief scientist at >> rose: the president also affirmed that america will cloudera, a company he could continue to stand behind founded in 2009. it helps organizations make israel. he made a targeted appeal to sense of enormous troves of the youth in attendance. data knowned as big data. one of those organizations >> and today i want to tell is mount sinai school of you, particularly the young people, so that there is no medicine here in new york. he has been working with mistake here, so long as doctors there to analyze data related to genetics and there is a united states of

organ health. not everybody is a fan of america, atem lo lavat. big data. tall ib said big data may (applause) mean more information but it also means more false you are not alone. information. i'm pleased to have jeff >> rose: joining me martin hammerbacher here at this table for the first time. indyk, director of foreign welcome. >> thank you, dharlie. policy brookings institution, >> rose: your is an also a former u.s. interesting life. so let's talk a little bit about that first. ambassador to israel. and itamar rabinovich served or we at least think so. >> i appreciate that. as israel ambassador to the born in indiana, born in united states. at the same time he was chief negotiator with the michigan, moved to indiana when i was five. syrian government and president and founder of the yeah. >> rose: were you because of israeli institute. i'm pleased to have both of an extraordinary success you them at this table, at this had in the tech world where one of those people who were time, when the president is saying some very interesting drawn to mathematics, to things in israel. so welcome. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> rose: characterize this code, to doing things in the speech by the president. computer science world? >> this speech was typical >> sure, yeah, when i was in second grade even i was obama at his best, working pulled out of the regular math courses and placed in a his oratorical magic on a crowd that lapped it up. accelerated math program in my elementary school. he spoke very convincingly and by 5th grade they brought in a professor from local university to work about his commitment to with me on some higher level israel's security and his math. so it was always something understanding of their that other people recognized security dilemmas. in me and always something

and particularly underlined that i really enjoyed doing. what he was going to prevent and with computer science my iran from getting nuclear parents, i think, had the weaponsment but then he went into a rif about peace and foresight to put me into a the necessity of peace and summer school for coding the possibility of peace, when i was just eight years and why peace has to be just, old. so i was kind of a even saying put yourself, rambunctious youngster you israelis put yourself in partially to equip me with the shoes of the palestinians. skills but get me out of the house and hair for a bit. >> rose: but you were drawn and talked over the heads of to it. the leadership of israel to >> i found it interesting as a hobby as much as a subject say to them, you need to in school. i often found myself calmed push your leaders to take when doing math. and my mom actually found a risks at peace. >> rose: basically saying letter that i wrote when i you have to make sacrifices was in second or third grade on settlements and other where it was describing my issues in order to get some kind of agreement for favorite thing to do in the palestinians, because that world. and i'm writing sort of you is, in fact, in the know like a little kid long-term interest of your writes and says i really national security. love eating and doing math >> exactlyive. care about your security, it was just always something but here's the best way to that, you know, thinking secure. about abstract entities >> rose: an agreement with the palestinians. which are sort of timeless >> agreement with the palestinians. >> rose: that gives them some sense. and not part of the temp >> two states, two oral realm, just has a way peoplement talked specifically about a jewish of giving you perspective state. >> rose: what did you think? and helping calming my mind. >> i agree, it was and very >> rose: but you love baseball too. >> i loved baseball, yeah. my, i was also kind of drawn

well crafted, very to that from an early age. convincing speech. and i was just a very it was in the heart of the mission to speak to the competitive person. i used to cry after every israeli, to the israeli strikeout. and i was very, very focused. public. in a way, president obama and my dadd was a pretty has been doing what remarkable guy. he worked on the assembly president sadat had done in line at gm and had to get up the late '70s. at 4:30 in the morning and he came to jerusalem before get off at 2:30 after a long the actual negotiations with day of work and he was always my baseball coach so always taking me out if the mr. begin in order to build backyard. and always helping me build support for the peace with those skills. so yeah, it was baseball and egypt at the time, and enable mr. begin to make math that really summarizes the first 17 years. >> rose: but you ended up at concessions and win public support. so he was investing public harvard. >> i did end up at harvard. it's a little bit of a funny diplomacy in the same way, story. trying to build support i was being recruited as among the israeli public, university of michigan for baseball and at sis tenant for the painful concessions coach there had taken a job that will have to be made. at harvard the next year. so he had seen my academic >> rose: and so how do you think the prime minister and profile and just so happened his party will take this? that the person who hosted me on my visit to michigan, the player, had also been >> they could have done recruited heavily by harvard without this part of the so both the play their visit but they had their hosted me and at sis tenant part of the visit in the coach who was headed to first day. harvard the next year >> rose: which was iran. basically said you should >> well, we don't know what apply to harvard. >> rose: but did you go to went on behind closed doors. harvard because you wanted to play baseball. but publicly, you know, came >> a little bit, yeah. they actually, so in college

baseball it's actually more important where you play in the summer than where you out weekend hurt from the elections. and one of the criticisms play during the baseball, the college school years. leveled at him was he so there was a summer league mismanaged the relationship called the cape cod league. with the united states. and the head coach of and here was the president harvard at the time was a all smiles and friendship and patting each other on pitching coach for a cape the back. cod league team, there was a that was very good for fast path for the harvard mr. netanyahu. he relished it and he took university team and cape cod league. i thought it was go tokai advantage of it. but this was the first good chance to make a kind cause. of sneak in the back door the second cost somewhat into the cape cod league and potentially show my stuff less tasty for the prime and maybe make it into the minister. >> rose: what is less tasty majors some day. for him? >> rose: was mark zuckerberg >> he himself endorsed or there at the time? >> mark was there, in fact we were in a five or six reendorsed the idea of two person seminar together. state solution for a his sophomore year when he palestinian state. but his concept of a state was making the facebook. or his concept of a so i got to know him a little bit then. settlement is more modest >> rose: but you didn't than that of president stay. and you didn't go to work obama. for facebook. >> i did not. and when secretary of state i dropped out of college kerry returns to the region briefly. made it back a year later in a short while to pursue unlike mark, i suppose. the work, these differences and ended up graduating in 2005. will surface. and for my first year i actually came down here to they were not-- they came new york and worked on wall street at bear stearns. out unilaterally by the and it was only in 2006 that president in the speech but i saw a couple friends from they will come up fully when

school that i respected a secretary kerry returns to the region. great deal make their way to >> rose: but how did barack facebook and that piked my obama come to the presidency curiosity. >> rose: so you were one of the top, one of the early with what attitudes did 100 that went to work there. israel, what commitments, >> yeah, sure t is hard to know exactly. what sense of significance we had a pretty large for him? >> i think you have two book customer service group at the time is so first 50 to ends to this story. 80 i think was around the the cairo speech of 2009 and number of employees. >> rose: why did you leave. the injuries lem speech of >> there is a lot of things that made it time for me to leave. i would say number one, the 2013. and he comes to the cairo boss that really kept me there and that really speech, which was a speech to the arab and muslim world, inspired me adam deanglo had the belief that bush had chose tone to leave a few ruined america's reputation months prior. and i don't like having a boss. and he was a really good in the arab and muslim world. hands-off boss. and that he needed to fix so i really enjoyed working with adam. i also felt that you know, that. after all, we had 150,000 we had built a lot of new troops deployed in afghanistan and iraq. technologies am and the time he was about to send more. was coming where we needed to spend less time building we needed to improve our new things. and more time making the relations with the arabs and things we had built work the muslims. well. and if we could achieve that, and i was more interested in kind of building new things. i think he felt that would and ultimately i think that i wasn't interested in the redound to the benefit of product my self. israel because then the i think it is an amazing arabs would be prepared to product, there are amazing

people there. engage with israel in and i had hired people with response to our influence on experience in quantitative them, and israel would then social science that i respond. thought were much more that was essentially, as i motivated by the problem understand, his theory of demand than i was. and i needed to just kind of the case. clear a way for those people and so essentially the who were going to do a better job analyzing that message that he was playing data than i could. >> rose: your quote, the best minds of my generation to the arab world was i care think how they can make about you. i understand your concerns. people click ads that sucks. and-- . >> you know, on my tombstone >> rose: the image of america is no longer the i think. image i want you to have of >> rose: actually vance who america. wrote in bloomberg business >> correct. and by the way, i understand the palestinian issue is week wrote about you said you might say hammerbacher your hot-button issue and i'm going to solve it. is a conscientious objecter he promised them that he to the advance business of would close cuan bega marketing-driven culture that now permeates tech and began-- guantanamo and solve that's why he quit what he the palestinian problem. but the message that he sent was doing. to israel at the same time >> i wouldn't say that i was something that he didn't quit because i was a conscientious objecter to understand, i think. the business model. i knew what i was getting >> rose: what was that message? >> which was that i'm going into when i joined facebook. i nged stood what the business model would be. to distance the united i think was just more about states from israel, in order finding more interest in the to curry favor with the arabs. that's the message the challenge of building scaleable infrastructure for israelis received. data storage analysis than especially because from cairo he didn't go to being interested in using

israel. >> rose: do you know why he that infrastructure to do didn't do that at that time? data analysis for the data >> because he was trying to collected by facebook. curry favor with the arabs. it's a fascinating data set >> rose: he thought the arabs would not favor if he and nor people who work in made a speech in cairo and cuan tative social science i think it is the most made a speech in jerusalem. interesting place in the >> i think that was right. world to, without. unfortunately that just >> rose: was that the correct judgement. wasn't the reason i was >> no, it was a huge drawn to facebook. mistake. i think he would probably so i think it was much more about the problems that i admit that it was a mistake wanted to be work on and now. but it was a-- it wasn't much less about objecting to just an error of scheduling, what facebook was work on. >> rose: what kind of company did you want to build. because for the next three >> i wanted to build a and a half years he barely company that was going to be spoke to the israelis. the engine of production of he gave i think one robust, open source tools television interview. he had a foreign service that could be used to do science faster. officer whom he didn't even you know i'm a big-- . know as ambassador to >> rose: do science faster. israel. >> yeah, correct. he didn't send his own so i felt like there was a ambassador to israel. big bottleneck in a lot of >> rose: that was george mitchell. >> and he appointed george different scientific labs ranging from astronomy to mitchell to go off and do this. high energy fisics to but george-- but essentially, oceanography where they were generating tremendous he, the president of the volumes of data and they didn't have the software and united states after 16 years hardware infrastructure to be able to capture and analyze that data of president's showering effectively. >> rose: i remember maybe a year or two ago i was talking to mark an creasean unalloyed affection on the people of israel, bill sitting right here. >> sure. clinton, george w. bush, >> rose: and reed half-man and a group of people you comes as president, cold in know. and i say what is the next nature, was distancing

big idea and everybody talked himself to israel. about mobile but they said the message the israelis got the thing you have to watch is what is happening to big across the spectrum was he data. what's happening? doesn't like us. he doesn't talk to us. >> we went through a period in which data generation and he doesn't care about us. seemed to grow exponentially >> rose: that's the perception in israel. and that lead to the >> that is correct. and of course it was requirement to build reinforced by the fact that software that could then collect and analyze that data. so if you look at the world almost simultaneously to his wide web, all of a sudden we election israel chose the were taking all the right wing prime minister documents, all of the speak who replaced olmert who was jacks that people were serializing its text and we were placing them on-line wing to go a long distin to into an open reposit or of make a palestinian deal. linked data walled the world >> rose: and before that wide web and it turns out barak. >> an before that ariel sharon who took a bold step there was a tremendous amount of value that was lat ent in that data so in gaa -- gaza. companies like google were so the israeli, the israeli forced to react to this onrush of data by building political system responded to threats to the threat of software which could capture iran, to the threat of store and analyze that data. hezbollah, israel, between and we're seeing so the tool 2006 and 2009, went to the and techniques that google right. invented took awhile to find both the public opinion and their way into the open source domain via companies the government. so the drama of the like yahoo! and facebook and to be made robust and usable collision between the president seeking to draw by nonconsumer web properties so companies like close to arab and muslims cloudera are taking the and israeli government innovations that google made

in reaction to that vast veering to the right, onrush of data which then intensified the tension that yahoo! and facebook and others contributed to the manifested itself at the open source creation of, and now cloudera is making it time. robust and usable for a and add to this the fact wider range of enterprises. so we are now finally that between the president getting to the point where and the prime minister at that time, there was no hospitals and governments trust. i mean both ambassador indyk and other organizations can take advantage of the and myself sat on what is insights created by google, normally known as one-on-one, 10 to 15 years ago. but always is two on two >> rose: but your particular because there has to be a interest is science, and how notetaker. to accelerate science. and both of us were >> correct. yeah, that's exactly right. fortunate enough to take i think i've got a finity notes in very decisive amount of time i can spend on this planet. meetings between clinton, and science is generated the rabin and so forth. most interesting things that i have seen while i have and you can see what happens been alive and i want to see when the two decision makers it do as much as it can like each other and trust while i'm still alive. each other. >> rose: i will come back to and when they don't. data. >> you bet. >> rose: but let me stay and unfortunately, during with what you are doing with the first four years there mount sinai. you became an assistant was a lack of trust between professor. >> uh-huh. obama and netanyahu. >> rose: what are you hoping to achieve for them? and this is something that >> sure. so in the short term what i will transpire later but to am hoping to achieve is me, one of the most provide them a scaleable important potential outcomes infrastructure for data of this visit would be to storage and analysis. so that the scientists at restore or to build from the mount sinai can do their jobs faster at a lower

outset. price. >> rose: a relationship between netanyahu and obama. ultimately i would like to >> and obama, where they can be able to use that trust each other. infrastructure in the short >> but that starts, i think, term to improve the quality of health care delivery, with him building the lower the cost of health relationship of trust with care deliver, potentially the israeli public. you see, his approval discover new therapeutics or ratings went down to 10. diagnostics and integrate that is what they were on these new genomic data sets friday before they went there. and the irony is that they with existing traditional electronic health care also went down to 10 in the records so the patient and arab world. physician can see that. and at the very long term because what the arabs what really draws me to the wanted was him to fulfill his promise to solve the medical domain is an palestinian problem. when he didn't do that and interest in understanding didn't close guantanamo they how the brain works and in particular how the brain lost faith in him. breaks. so i'm fascinated by mental now, i think, us through illness, for example, or this speech and through the actions that he has taken on this trip, he will restore neurodegenerative disorders. and i any we understand the or reintroduce himself to symptoms very well but we the israeli public. don't currently understand >> rose: he wants to reset the mechanisms, what the israeli-u.s. actually happens inside the relationship. >> once he improves his nervous system. >> rose: but the kinds of things you are doing and standings amongst the others is the reason we are israeli you be pick-- public, seeing these extraordinary netanyahu will be more advances in understanding compliant, why? the brain, which have been because the israeli public documented on this program will punish an israeli prime for the last two years on a minister who mishandles a monthly basis. >> yeah, a lot of the relationship with a popular understanding at some point american president. has to pass through software because obama was unpopular for data storage and analysis. when netanyahu uprated him so yeah, i think we part of that pipeline but of course in the oval office, if you there is innovations in

remember that, bebe went up theoretical models of brain funk, innovations in sensors 10 points in the polls. that can generate new data >> in israel. sets to push through that >> rose: you wrote the five things president obama can infrastructure so there are do to win israeli. innovations up and down the number one israelis think pipeline but yeah, i think novell software tools have obama doesn't like him much. been a part of some of those he can fix that. advances. the brookings institution >> rose: mental illness is the subject of particular concern. can offer to teach what he >> yeah, you know, we have can do. one, reintroduce himselfment spoken previously about i two reach an understand on iran which they may have, we myself have had people very don't know. >> i think they have reached close to me who struggle an understanding, best you with the disease and i can tell from the rhetoric but the time line has myself have been diagnosed stretched. as bipolar too as well as bebe said the summer of 2013. and they seem to have agreed having general anxiety that there is a year, the disorder. so my interest in understanding the brain spring, it's the spring of predates my own diagnoses next year which becomes the but having gone through that crunch. >> rose: so they are on the same page on the time line. process and having spent a >> same. >> rose: three, build a lot of time with relationship of trust with psychiatrists for several years, as a curious person mahmoud abbas. did he do that? >> not clear yet. are you lead to attempt top but it seems that-- softened understand the state of the art. and you can recognize when reading the literature that his position on insisting on there is uncertainty even in the name of mental a full settlement before illnesses. regardless of the mechanism negotiations begin. >> a balance of deterance of the mental illness, even between israeli settlement activity and palestinian carving the world into a set

unilateral moves in the u.n. of diseases is not yet or the international criminal court. certain. so in fact, you know, we're in a fairly auspicious year >> we'll see what comes out. and then john kerry is going in that the dsm which is to follow up on this. sort of the core document which allows to us class if but i suspect that from the i too mental disors is way that the wording is undergoing a major revision for the first time in many, coming out there may be a many years. softening of positions on so psychiatrists around the both sides on this in terms world are revisiting this question of, you know what of settlement. a restraining settlement is a mental disorder and what are the categories of mental illness. activity. >> rose: an finding >> rose: and palestinian initiatives in the u.n.. extraordinary things in >> right. terms of where there might >> rose: okay. the last one is empower be genetic linkage between secretary of state kerry. different kinds of issues >> he hasn't done that yet. that come from the structure he really needs to do it of the brain. because he's given this >> precisely and that linkage you refer to, some of the ground breaking anal speech which has raised cease were performed by folks now at mount sinai, expectations sky-high about what the united states is going to do in the peace pamela sklara also in the department of genetics who process. and if he doesn't back kerry did some great work, and in up, because kerry is the one her time i believe at that is going to be doing it, princeton in discovering kerry won't be able to links between schizophrenia succeed. >> my guess is knowing and by polar at a genetic secretary kerry and knowing secretary clinton, that level and it feels like secretary kerry will give there might be some core functional defects which are this because he passionately is interested in this more manifested in different ways. >> rose: you had a friend tension, individually on his who commit -- committed suicide. >> that's right, my very

own, than secretary clinton. close friend of mine in >> he says it that the time, college, steve schneider, sorry, that the time for similar people, we both grew middlest envoy is over. up, he grew up in ohio, i indiana, both pitchers on the baseball team and we both studied math at >> he is a secretary that is harvard. so he was someone i grew widely perceived as being close with in college. very close to the president, and sort of observed the whose's worried-- if you look at the failures in degradation in his mental state and it ended with him american middle east taking his own life. diplomacy or israeli diplomacy, when you had a about seven years ago now. and so yeah it was very kissinger and nixon or baker difficult process to observe and bush 41, with that kind and it certainly built some of relationship-- also nixon deep seeded motivation in me kissinger. to understand what was it was known that kissinger happening. >> rose: if you were doing all this over, would you go had-- connectioner had nixon in a different direction? backingment when he spoke in the name of america or the i mean would you have gone president it was seen as such. and that, of course, empowers into some aspect of life the secretary of state and sciences directly rather enables the secretary of state to do it. than coming the way that did you through mathematics and but middle eastern people, computer science and writing israelis and arabs in a way code? wince don't think so. are spoiled. you know, i feel like i they need, they're used to having the matt time and studied some life sciences while in college. so i spent some time in attention in order to make courses on neuroscience and progress. in other parts of the world,

it's not always the case. computational neuroscience and it seemed clear to me but middle eastern that many of the innovations breakthroughs which have the were going to be happening in the development 6 novel huge impact of a drama, you sensors to generate more data about the brain. know, if you make peace and in novel software tools and statistical techniques. in-- it has certain >> rose: "time" magazine had resonance testimony you make a big thing recently on big an arab israeli peace agreement it has a different ideas and talked about sensors, health sensors. resonancement but it takes a give us insight into that president directly or vicariously through a application about technology secretary of state to do that. and our understanding of the >> rose: when prime minister way the human body netanyahu continues at the functions. level he is of building >> sure, so if for example i will give an experience from settlements, does he my past. so i had an issue in which i understand that it does discovered there is a lump great danger to the idea and in my chest. i was like that's change strange. to the reality on the ground actually my wife saw it as well as the idea of some first so i went into the doctor's office. and the doctor he kind of kind of agreement with the put his hands on my chest palestinians? or does he say i understand and felt around. that completely, yet the he said i think you have this but see this other guy. i went to that doctor and he building of settlements for put his hands on my chest the future is more important and said i think you have to israel and to me? this. i thought don't you want to use any sort of measurement >> well, he has a worldview device to, you know, see which is different. what is in my body or some he comes from the core of how quantify what my body, the israeli right wing. what is happening within my

body. and if i contrast that with and like it or not, he hats diagnosing an issue in a that point of view which says that this is the service that we might have historic homeland, all of it deployed to power face with is the historic homeland of dotcom, the amount of inface the jewish people and we have into a serving building settlements in the west bank is a matter of running inside a facebook data service is historic right and not a message of calculus. significantly greater than >> is that the opinion in the amount of insight into israeli? our own body. >> no, but that's the the amount of data we are capturing about ourselves is opinion of mr. netanyahu. tiny today. and i think you know, i his party and some of his often say data is the coalition partners. intermediate representation of science. so it's not just a question so i wonder how are we ever going to dot science to understand how our body of calculus. functions if we don't have then there is the question more ubiquity is low cost you have to factor in the measurement. significance of the relationship with the united there is a guy at san diego, states, the demographic larry smar, a fascinating issue that faces israel. fellow who took a similar path i think. he's actually worked on the the iranian issue, there is a linkage of sorts. infrastructure more on the networking side than on the if you wanted united states data storage side but he tos are work with you on iran you have to accommodate worked on if for scaleable the united states on other scientific data analyses and issues. and finally, there is the has written papers on the question of say one's place quantifications he performed on himself. and the insights that he has in history, one's heritage. been able to make. this is netanyahu's third and there is another famous term it may not be-- it may example from standford mike be his last term. schneider where they there is a generation-- . actually combined sequencing

>> rose: he's already the of genome with longitudinal second longest serving prime minister in the history of measurements in a deep way the state. about what is happening in >> and there are younger his bloodstream and et politicians who were very cetera. successful in the last and they were able to observe the onset of certain sections, knocking at the door. so he, i think will have to disorders during that ask himself how do i want to experience. so i think that we're going to enter a period in exit the stage. as somebody who just lingers medicine in which it's going to be much more routine to in power or somebody who has have continuous low cost made a real difference. >> rose: what do you think measurements happening. his answer is? rdz you say enter a period, do you think he's decided on are we there now? that. >> no. the question is whether he >> we're on the precipicement wants to be a politician or we have guys like larry smar statesman. >> it is another way of who are already performing putting that. these analyses on themselves. and a lot, you know, a lot but it's not really being driven by the physician, depends, it's not himself it's being driven by curious playing sol tear-- solitaire patients. think what we are waiting for is that big wind. you need the physicians are by him self, the to the going to be convinced palestinians, the americans, the europeans, it's not unless they see an improvement in health decided yet. >> rose: does the president outcomes based on this think that he's prepared to self-quantification. so i think we're-- the tools take political risks within a constituency that remerging to be able to self-quantify and the early has-- that he has known well adopters are performing the and the jewish community in self-quantification but the math adoption and the people america. >> i think that he was who are actually doing health care delivery is waiting for a few big winds dhaisen-- chastened by the experience in which from self-quantification in netanyahu basically did an end run around him, went to health outcome.

congress where there's broad >> rose: what would be a big wind. >> if you could demonstrate bipartisan support for that prediabetes say good israel. and was able to stand up to one are you can start to see the president. the onset of diabetes and i say especially because he you can cause people to change their eating habits didn't have support in the so they can avoid getting israeli public that turning into a diabetic. netanyahu had this kind of so if we can demonstrate the leeway. so i think he's chastened by use of this ubiquity is low that. but he can't talk to the cost measurement it to israeli people about pushing their leaders to take risks prevent more people from becoming diabetic that would of peace if he is not be big. prepared to take risks >> rose: "time" magazine has a big thing on cancer today himself. so at some point he has to and cancer research. >> i saw that. decide. i think he's going to wait >> rose: and the idea simply and see. is a group of different >> rose: what is a risk for cancer researchers working him? >> well, the ris something together and collaborating exactly as you describe it. that he's going to risk and finding out where the politically at home backlash individual research may overlap and there be sort of paths and pathways that they from the pro israeli learn about. as i suggested in terms of community which no longer is just the jewish community. some of the genetic bases in there's a large, broad, terms of various parts of christian fundamentalist the brain, they are being able to see patterns there. base to the republican party >> yeah, i agree. that will jump all over his and today to get that information you usually have bones as well. to perform a biopsy of the so it-- he faces a domestic tumor. so if we had something which was much less invasive, much problem there that he is easier to sort of passively not-- i don't think he's collect data about the tumor

prepared to take that on on an ongoing basis, then that could be fed into unless he feels that predictive models that could tht netanyahu and abu-- he stasis and other issues. >> rose: what is it that you treats them equally if not want to accomplish? >> yeah, what would make me seriousment if he sees they're serious then i think he will be prepared to feel really satisfied is if reengage. but here is the conundrum. i could find people whose kerry is the one who has to lives are not, if you look test their seriousness. at the mortality and morbidity of disease and the but unless he makes it clear that he's behind kerry, they global disease burden of the won't take kerry seriously. various things that are inflicted upon humans, you know, obviously cancer and >> rose: why is that hard to do? >> because i think-- because heart disease are massive but mental disorders the president-- we'll see. but i think the president are-- it's really remarkable if you look at who reports on the global burden of has basically decided the middle east is a place he disease of mental illness. i suspect even those estimates are low because wants to turn his back on. many people are suffering he wants to focus on the from issues but aren't greener past pass turs of willing to-- it took many asia. >> i would say if i may that years to be diagnosed myself. so i think if i could better it is not just domestic it's quantify what mental illness global. because of the linkage, if is, and use our deeper you fail in the middle east understanding of the mechanisms of mental illness it resonates in north korea and vice versa. so the risk is broader in to develop new treatments and allow people to live longer and more disease free lives because of novel

treatments for these mental just the. disorders that would feel >> what is going to happen? deeply satisfying to me, both because from an >> ultimately bashar assad intellectual perspective i would learn more about how the brin works and i think we're all fascinated by will fall. the timing the precise that. and from an all truistic scenario are not known. perspective hopefully it but the rebels are would change people's lives for the better. >> rose: where are other encroaching. application of the they control more ter measurement of data and another-- territory. being able to translate that they have half of aleppo. information into they are fighting in the outskirts of damascus am we constructive ends. >> well, obviously in the can see the regime becomes consumer web do nain we've more desperate with its back to the world, may or may not done a good job of improving have used chemical weapons. the quality of advertise ams that we show. but the calculus is the there is tremendous value calculus of desperate -- there. i think in the e-commerce >> may or may not have used domain we can now predict chemical weapons. certainly not in an extent what you are more likely to that might be powerful and purchase, product that might change as the recommendations onsites like president said, be a game amazon.com and ebay.com. changer. they haven't used him that way. >> right. >> do you believe they would in the agribusiness use them that way? that is not-- it's not they. companies like monsanto and the people bashar assad and pioneer are using these technologies to figure out those that are supporting which seed to plant and him believe that that is the which square of land. so we can improve crop only thing they have left. yields through the use of data analysis and financial >> they have made so many

services we can better mistakes in the past two predict whose more likely to years that i can't really default on loans. doubt. it would be a terrible act we can better predict the and a terrible mistake but i rate at which we should give a loan. if there are a lot of things can't rule it out. that can happen there. >> rose: i think that and then some of our other they're testing obama. customers, speddia, for they are testing this red example, is doing work on line that obama has put down. better protect the cost of they have been operating flights, there are companies under the assumption, they like chevron which are using being the assad regime that our software to better there would not be outside identify where you might intervention. find oil underneath the and up to now, they've been surface is so there is a right. really wide variety of and they've had a basically range. >> finally this. free hand in terms of the the critique, david brooks weapons that they've used had said the philosophy of all the way up to chemical the day of data is weapons. something. but not using them yet. the big question is rewarding. in which situation should we now kerry comes in and cooks rely on intuitive pattern up a deal in which others recognition and ignore are going to be supplying intuition and follow the data? >> it is a great question. more lethal arms it to the opposition under this rubric another book recently which used the trades numerical of changing asad's calculus. imagination versus narrative and there's going to be a move to set up a provisional imagination. and i think it's really important that we don't government inside syria in choose one in favor of the the territory that's been other. we see each for the values liberated from the regime. and i think that they use that they deliver.

so i don't necessarily see chemical weaponsing we'll see if that's true. but if they did, they used the utter dominance of the it as a test, in my view, to numerical way of thinking. but i do think it's an see-- that this means, i important tool set to bring to bear. think it's true. and i honestly think that but we'll see. it's been massively we need the evidence but if underutilized through the they did it would be to test course of human history. we are just now entering a period where the vast majority of our actions are whether their assumption of going to be digitized so military intervention is let's at least develop the still correct. tools and give ourselves the >> rose: and what do you options of performing think they read, let's assume they did, and it was numerical thinking alongside our ver well developed a test wa, do you think the results are in their mind? mechanisms for narrative thinking. >> great to you have here. >> so far so good from their come back. >> great to be here, thank point of view. you. >> rose: thank you. the president said last year, use of chemical weapons would be a red line for me. now you said use of chemical weapons would be a game changer for the international community. captioning sponsored by they would read something rose communications different to what i think he captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org meant. he was quite robust in saying they're not going to be allowed. >> the other thing you said is that i think they did. you just said that. you do think that the syrians did it even though

on a limited, small way. >> again, would be the military response. >> well, you saw what the israelis did, it didn't lead to an outbreak of war. they struck to make clear to the syrians that they cannot hand weapons over to hezbollah that would threaten the-- . >> i would say the conflict reached, i call it now the phase for the battle of america. so explaining one angle. let's look at what the opposition doesment they appoint a prime minister in exile. who happens to be a syrian >> funding for charlie rose has been provided by the american. coca-cola company. supporting this program an american citizen. since 2002. >> an american express, because they want to send a message here, we are not a additiona funding provided bunch of jihadies oral by these funders. quitea related people. we are a civilized opposition. the head of the government in exile is a syrian american, speaks good english. can appeal to american and western audiences. because they all realize both sides realize that the >> and by bloomberg, a president and the american provider of multimedia news and information services political system are hedging, provider of multimedia news and information services worldwide. and they are both trying to affect it.

>> what would bashar al-assad's father have done? >> either-- well, any sensible man at the outset when this was a peaceful demonstration of people who were economically deprived would be to have met them halfway, not to shoot at them. but bashar al-assad would either have quashed them effectively at the outset or-- . >> rose: or would have been more effective in opening up a bit. but bashar we know was not the original heir apparent. >> rose: the older son was -- >> so obviously he's not fit for the job. and when he was tested, he failed. >> rose: yeah. so you are suggesting, you are recommending that the president intervene with weapons. >> if the decision is to effect assad's calculus then i think we have to do two things. number one, is a no-fly zone

in the area where the provisional government is now going to be established. >> rose: right. >> and this is-- does not require us going into full scale military mode of destroying all of the sands and all of the aircraft on the ground. that's an argument that the pernt gone makes because they basically don't want to do it. who can blame them he this they have a few other problems, afghan tan, sequestration and potentially iran. but when i was in the clinton administration, i had responsibility to the state department for the no-fly zone in northern iraq. and we operate aid no-fly zone here with minimal aircraft operating out of-- we didn't lose one plane, one pilot. and we didn't take out his air force or his sands, just whenever he challenged us, we took him out. >> rose: you responded. >> and you know, i don't understand why we can't do that. they say oh, the syrians have say-- array that is

very deadly but look, the israelis somehow can go in and operate there without any problem. the u.s. air force can't do that? >> rose: there's also two other countries i want to talk about. one egypt. what is going on? and how is that going to end up? >> end up, i don't know. but ahead lie several years of instability. the country-- . >> rose: civil war, is the military going to have to come back. >> i don't know full-fledged-- one of the outcomes may be that the military abstain from coming in, may have to come in. you know, many years ago in egypt-- wrote a very good book called egypt in search of political community. egypt is a unique in the middle east is in that it is a coherent state, unlike syria, unlike iraq, unlike lebanon. but the question of who inhabits that state is-- is at issue. is it going to be an islamist political community or is it going to be a secular, forward looking

community that is a place for moth muslims an christian. the country seems to be more or less evenly divided over this issue. and i see a long strife ahead with the balance of captioning by vitac, underwritten by fireman's fund evenly divided. >> i'm more concerned that the muslim brotherhood now em po-- now in power is going to basically every single bite needed to infiltrate, take over, and see them doing this-- . >> rose: consolidate and be less -- be -- >> exactly. >> twinkies in there? >> rose: consolidate and be >> wow. >> its it's like a great big hug more autocratic. on a cold day. >> establish an authoritarian rule, that old >> not as spicy as i can handle and my parents put chili powder line which i always thought was a bit tried about one in my baby food. election, one time. >> french fries bits all over seems to be their attitude. the table and just a lot of and but on the other hand-- . >> rose: including the president. >> well, i would say especially the president, but also, you know, the committee of the muslim brotherhood. you know, they have-- seem to be working quite decisively in that area. and the military does not

want to intervene. so in some way they have a free hand except for what we say. because they need us. >> rose: the military, or the egyptian period. >> the muslim brotherhood needs us. i mean their economy is going to hell. they have got a real problems. they need imf financing. so we need to engage with them but we also need to stand on our principleses. >> rose: whatever happened to the idea expressed at this table that in an interesting way the responsibility of governing might make islamist parties change. they would face a new reality and that therefore they would understand more ♪ hi, i'm leslie sbrocco. than they did when they were outside of power, what it welcome to "check, please! bay area," show the where regular meant. bay area resident review and and they would make talk about their favorite different choices. restaurants. we have three guest and each one >> the answer is that there recommends one of their favorite is no universal-- there is spots and the other two go check no universal answer for them out to see what they think. this. because asian is lam with this week, education technology countrieses like indonesia

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realize that if you wait too long and try to take it to the regime you may rot in jail. >> yeah. >> that happened because they wanted to put the military back into the baracks as they said. and they did that and more. >> yeah. baracks in the full sense of the term. >> yes, indeed. let me close by this. what is the essential conflict in the islamic world today. are people who do what you do beginning to see, you know, a real division across the islamic world. >> no, i think the basic issue goes back to the late 18th century when europe became more powerful than the muslim powers. and islam was beginning to